WAgal

I had a 1/4 of a burger, just the beef part.. some tortilla chips about 6-8... That was it...that's all I could eat!

Hanna

Dottie,

Thanks for sharing your pics! You look fantabulous! Keep working it girl!!! LOL! I'm looking forward to seeing you skinny dipping too!!! Ha ha ha... I mean you know, you going skinny dipping in private and not me actually watching you skinny dipping!!! Thanks for the encouragement... I'm dreading the needle for my first fill!! I just won't look!!!

Hanna

The biggest mistake I have made so far is when I advanced to full liquids and got wayyyyyyy to many grams of sugar from slimfast and yogurt drinks. I stopped yogurt drinks and switched to EAS with 0 grams of sugar and lots of protein and all the gurgling in my gut stopped.

SJ

Yes... I did the slimfast too and decided to switch to EAS (upon someone's recommendation here ..can't remember who but a big THANKS) and the grumbling of my tummy stopped. There are the little 3 oz., 35 cals.. I think it's Dannon yogurt drinks. They are pricey but I found it very convenient during the liquid stage..

Post op day 11 I was literally so hungry I cried, my stomach was growling and I had this overwhelming need for texture and the desire to chew and was completely grossed out about liquids. I found that making shakes in the blender using EAS whey protein with a cup of slim milk and a few ice cubes makes a frothy shake that is very filling and extinguishes that starving feeling. Also Special K protein powder mix really helps kill hunger pains.

SJ

I didn't cry either but was SO irritated... Now when you get to my stage about 5-6 weeks out post-op where you are in bandster chaos... 'cause you wanna be good and continue loosing weight but are fluctuating up and down the scale and can literally eat a COW again! ... my point is I am appreciating the liquid diet more and have actually gone back to the pre-op diet just so that I don't go back to my old eating habits... Look up MamaMichelle... she is doing great and is very methodical in her approach.. she has also posted pics of her before surgery and 1 month post op... you'll find this very encouraging! Maybe you've already seen it.

Hanna

Dawnie!

You're so funny! Thanks for the post! And here you are morning after surgery! Godspeed to a quick recovery!!! You take care and have fun shopping! My group fill is coming up in a couple of weeks and I can't wait!!!! It's great isn't it to have such a caring and very competent facility to care for you and ease your mind before and after surgery!

Blessings,

Hanna > >

Hi Hannah, I was banded on the 2nd of April. I have mostly left shoulder pain, sometimes right. I did not get oxygen. My stomach ususally feels ok, although now and then I have some pain (gas?) in it. I feel I am doing well and I am disappointed to hear some people say they have gas pains for over a year now.

1FatCat[ :-?

Hi Sweetie! The gas pain that some experience over a year is not related to the shoulder pain I'm researching. The shoulder pain for post op 1 year or more are usually 'caused by overeating it seems but all again are different as individuals and different lifestyles. Don't worry about something that's not probably going to be a situation for you. It doesn't seem that common from other blogs I've read. Stomach gas pains we all get... have you been experiencing the tremendous flatulations you've been getting? This subsides. I think you'll be just fine... follow your post-op to the T... you'll be protecting your investment and friend (band) if you do. Some people's tolerance for pain are also different. I had pain post-op and chose not to take any medication after 24 hours... So I still have 2 pills left over from OCC given to me. I just don't like taking pills if I can avoid them, that's me! You take care of yourself and keep us posted about your progress. Read wherever you can about experienced bandsters on different forums so you get a real "feel" of overall experiences of bandsters nation/worldwide. Thanks for posting your experience.

Blessings,

Hanna

I still get the left shoulder pain. It's usually when I eat too much. I haven't narrowed it down to what kind of foods trigger it if at all. I don't think the pain is from gas after months of having the surgery. I was told there is a nerve that goes near the port up to your shoulder and if you eat a lot your stomach pushes on it and that's what is causing the pain. Sometimes its very uncomfortable and there's nothing you can do but wait it out. That's my experience.

mkirk,

did you receive oxygen like I described it to Michelle just before your surgery? Thanks..

I had one breathing treatment before and two after the surgery. No shoulder pain at all. Stayed all in the midsection for a few day.

Okay Bobbi... did you breathe in through a mask with oxygen or a tube thing through your mouth connected to something that was making a hissing noise? I got the regular gas in my midsection but it was very mild pain... not like the unbearable left shoulder pain everyone describes here. Some feel it right after just having surgery and it continues roughly for 4-10 days. I guess I've yet to experience the future shoulder pain from eating too much but I'm primarily interested in the shoulder pain associated with the carbon dioxide they pump us with so that the docs can better see in there during the operation.

I kind of remember them putting oxygen on me before surgery, and I have horrible shoulder pain.

Kimmie,

Did you get oxygen the way I described it to Michelle?

I had stomach gas pains but no shoulder pain at all, I don't recall getting Oxygen maybe once I got into the surgery room? When did you get it?

Hi Michelle,

Did they have you inhale from a tube through your mouth connected to something making a hissing noise, the tube was similar to the breathing device thing for pre-op eval? Do you recall if they put a mask on you saying it was oxygen? This stuff they did to me while I was in my private room waiting for my turn for surgery. I remember one thing in the surgery room and that was just before I was going to be operated on and I saw Dr. Martinez and the three nurses, I said something to the effect "Where's is Dr. Ortiz?" Then Dr. O, by some curtain said "I'm right here Hanna, count to 10 and go back to sleep!" I remember I was resisting and again he asked me to count to ten and that everything would be alright and he'd see after surgery. I don't think I got to 10 and I was out. Next recollection was being awakened to sip something.

When I say receive oxygen before surgery, I mean they had this tube they ask you to inhale with your mouth... and the nurse specifically told me that it was oxygen I was inhaling. When I started to get sleepy from the meds in my IV, the nurse switch me over to a mask type over my nose and mouth and said it was oxygen, it was so that I could sleep and still breathe in the oxygen. We need more to participate...

Please I encourage those who haven't posted to please post their experience. We may be on to something here. This time please specify if it is the right or left shoulder (if you remember) where you experienced the pain. I will pose this same question in other bandster forums to get more data... Thanks for the link for the research... I will post here the results of my little survey/findings. If we can help future bandsters NOT have the extra added shoulder pain then this is all worth it!

again thanks,

Hanna

=D>

Hi all,

I'm doing a survey regarding the dreaded shoulder gas pain incurred post-op. It seems some people get it and some people don't. I was expecting to get it since I read it was part of what WOULD happen but happily surprised that I didn't get it. The information I'm interested in is if you rec'd oxygen before surgery or not.

example:

WAgal: no shoulder pain

received oxygen before surgery: yes

That's it.

Your participation may lead us to discover if this is something necessary to avoid the shoulder gas pain for future bandsters. Or it may be nothing. A big THANKS in advance.

Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone else had this "feeling"? The best way I can describe it is a tugging or pulling feeling from inside. It doesn't hurt, just uncomfortable. It just started last evening.....????

Yes, normal... The meds you were given have probably worn off and now you can feel things inside and are still healing. I'm a side sleeper. I sleep on my side and that didn't feel good at all the first 10 days, I'd say. I found that sleeping on my back, where everything is flat on my belly felt the most comfortable and no pain or uncomfortableness. It was also sometimes hard to sit up from a lying down position. It will pass once you are fully healed! I'm a little 5 weeks post-op and facing the no restriction banding H*E* double hockey sticks. Not fun at all since I can probably eat a whole COW if I wanted. But I will not... I will not!!! Have a nice one!

Okay.. just stole this from Doolittle... if you haven't read it here on the forum this is what we should be doing for our fill:

Increase Your Chances of a Good Fill

The following suggestions are good rules of thumb and will greatly increase your chances of getting a good fill.

1. Be sure you are very well hydrated when you come in for your fill appointment. That means at least 6 to 8 full glasses of liquid every day for at least several days before the fill.

(Remember, water is your friend).

Drink especially well the morning of the fill. If you're flying in, it can be much harder to stay hydrated, so take an empty drink bottle and fill it after you pass airport security. TSA rules state you can bring an empty water bottle past the TSA security check point. Bring some of those "to-go" packs of Crystal Light, they’re ideal! Ask the flight attendants for a refill of your water bottle, pop one in, and then you will have plenty to drink.

(Hint - If you flying in for a fill, while you're on the plane, grab a couple of those white barf bags.

It’s good to keep one in your purse or car, for "emergencies".)

2. Do not to have any solid foods for at least 6 hours before the fill. Don't eat a huge or late dinner the night before. If you're having any trouble (reflux, possible slip, etc)

please have nothing but fluids after dinner the night before.

In some cases, food can still be in the pouch for 12 or more hours.

ANY food in the pouch will make it impossible to give a good fill, or get a good fluoro

3. Don't drink COLD fluids for an hour before the fill. That will shrink your stoma and give a false fluoro reading, and a poor fill. Room temp fluids are fine. Let the ice in your drink melt and hour before a fill,

and then you'll have room-temp fluids to drink right up to the fill time.

4. Avoid getting a fill during a menstrual period or a few days before an expected one. During this time, girls are usually retaining water, and the fluoro will not be as accurate, and the fill will not be either.

5. If at all possible, hang around for at least a few hours after a fill. Don't run right back home or to the plane. It takes the normal swelling after a fill 1-2 hours to develop, and by that time you might be too tight and need to come right back.

6. If you fly in, If at all possible, stay overnight and catch a plane out the following late afternoon or evening. If you are too tight, this will allow time to get a small unfill before you leave. This is not very convenient, but sure beats having to possibly return to TJ in a few days, on short notice, in pain, and at high last-minute plane fares! This is "prevention!" Overfills are not common, but they DO happen, even under the best of conditions. Be prepared, and think about this overnight stay. Test your fill the next day before you leave.

7. After a fill, please have liquids only for at least 24 hrs. This allows the stoma to rest and heal. Then, a day of soft foods, then back to regular foods. Full liquids are fine, no need for clears. Remember, if you staying over night test your fill before you fly out.

8. Review the eating and food guidelines again before every fill. You’ll need to refine your eating more and more with higher fill levels, and there will be less and less room for goofs. As you reach a higher fill level, you'll no longer be able to "get away" with things you might have before!

9. Please don't get a fill if you are having ANY trouble with the current level of fill. This means ANY regular pain, PB or barfing more than maybe once a week at the VERY most, not able to get enough

calories in, not able to drink enough, able to eat only soft foods or fluids.

More fill will NOT help, and will make things worse. Discuss all this carefully with your doctor. You may even need an UNFILL, to keep your band and stomach safe.

10. First fills are routinely given at 6-8 weeks after surgery, but only as you need them. Many people do, some do not. Your doctor will help you decide if you need a fill, just ask. There is no rush for fills. Too much can very easily get you in trouble, and you end up further "behind" than if you had gone slower with fills.

11. Give a fill at least 2-3 weeks to test it. Some fills don't "settle in" for a week or two, and sometimes more. Your weight loss is what determines how a fill is - not any feeling of restriction, necessarily.

12. One of the most important things in determining if a fill is good is choosing proper band foods. Soft foods, liquids, junk foods, sweets, etc, will NEVER be well-restricted, and will never tell a thing about having a good fill or not. Only solid foods give useful info.

A good test meal is 2-4 oz of solid meat or chicken - be sure it's soft and moist - and about 1/2 cup veggies. You should be able to eat about a cup of food (no less) and this should keep you satisfied (NOT "FULL", but simply "satisfied, not physically hungry". for about 3-4 hrs.

13. Plan regular meals. A good fill will keep you satisfied for 3-4 hrs, but no longer. If you are hungry 5 hrs after lunch, it is not because you have an inadequate fill! Regular meals at planned times are important for a number of reasons; including avoiding snacking, maximizing your calorie burn and normalizing metabolism, which is essential for weight maintenance later on.

14. Learn to recognize YOUR "soft stop" sign. Common ones are chest tightness or "fullness", a sudden runny nose, a single hiccup or burp, an eye twitch, back pain, left should pain. All mean the pouch is full enough and we should STOP eating, even spitting out the bite that may be already in our mouths. If you do not, you could progress to the "hard stop" - slimming, pb, barfing.

Please remember that good fills are very elusive, even with highly- experienced docs and fill people. There are just too many individual factors involved that the docs cannot control. Even the fluoro is only a clue, and not entirely accurate - for some of the reasons above.

It usually takes 3- 5 fills to slowly and safely creep up on a good level, and they can be safely given a month apart.

Trying to go faster with a bigger fill is not the solution, and the stomach rebels at big sudden fills. The goal of the first few fills is NOT to achieve a good restriction, but to gradually get your stomach used to some pressure so you can tolerate a GOOD fill later.

SLOW and GRADUAL is the key!

Going slowly with fills can be frustrating, but is well worth the wait to avoid problems.

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ditto here... I told Dr. Miranda and she said that this wasn't a problem at all... I don't think they gave me any extra meds., at least they didn't say anything about it to me...

HEY HANNA!!!!!

[i'll quiet down now] LOL!!! Thanks for that, you gave me a chuckle! Darlene

Isn't it fun to have all this support here. Quite frankly, I know what you mean about laughing so much... it hurt to laugh the first week! So I hope I didn't hurt you!

My husband would watch me get on the computer (this was the first week then I would burst into laughter reading stuff and then I would say "ouch, ouch, ouch!" Then he would laugh at me 'cause I probably looked pretty silly or crazy from his point of view. I love reading everyone's postings... Sometimes I wanna chime in just to let you know I've been there but I'm satisfied reading and enjoying the camaraderie taking place.. Keep it up ladies... We are going to look fantabulous!!!!

Hanna

"If I help you, then I am helping myself!"

YAY DARLENE!!!! I'M GLAD YOU HAD AN AWESOME EXPERIENCE!!! SEE... YOU'RE NOT ALONE YELLING!!! LOL!!!!

HANNA

Hanna's Response for fill trip:

1. shop in TJ - yes only if the majority wants to go

2. staying at Omni Hotel on the 17th, Grand Hyatt on 18th, & 19th.

3. suggested light meal/drinks, no preference in bar or restaurant.

4. need a ride from SD to OCC for fill that morning. will ride with Zulma, soon as she gives us meeting point.

I actually went to Wal-Mart and bought Centrum in liquid form. Taste yecky! It just a regular multivitamin. That's all you really need, when we start eating again our bodies will absorb all the nutrients it needs.

I second that YUCKY Centrum!!! I had the most difficult time taking that stuff. I put it in my protein drink and it was still horrible... It doesn't bother some people but I didn't like it at all!

Hanna

I didn't for when they asked you to do the clear liquid part of your post-op diet but I did (the sugarfree 30-35 cals) after 10 days...then they said I can have the non clear soups too. Hope this helps.

Hanna

Okay ladies, it's nearing our fill date... I'm going to take a survey as to who'd like to go shopping in TJ and I need to know where our meeting place is going to be. Since we do have to be fasted 2 hours before our fill then we can't really do breakfast... maybe coffee, tea.. but at around 7:30am... maybe?...... We can't really have a solid meal on the day of our fill and the following day...we're to take it easy and do liquids... okay this isn't looking so great... We're back to sipping ladies, LOL! The only time we can eat is the night before on the 17th or the following day with mush, if you are still around on the 19th, which I know Linda and I are. Whatever... here I am again planning around a meal time, bad habit of mine, we can do drinks... I'm not a drinker but I will do a margarita, are we allowed?!!! We are just going to get together and sip away and support each other during that fill we have to do... I have a video on myspace regarding a fill... anyone see it yet?... As the day gets nearer to our fill I'm getting freaked out again about that awfully long looking needle going in... LOL!!! I'm such a big chicken!!!! I know you guys feel the same way too!!! So fess up!!! LOL!!! I hope some experienced bandster will chime in and say something to calm me down in this forum.

Okay, you may post here.. I'll check. Or send me email here... click on my pic WAgal and you can pretty much send me email privately. Or my direct email... ramilhanna@gmail.com

If you are already at Lucerna then it's probably best for us to meet up at the OCC, but if you are going into TJ that morning like me and Linda and Zulma, please let me know your location and I'll have to check with Zulma as to where she is comfortable picking up everyone and how many she can take... Lisa, Linda, Michelle, Hanna, Zulma, Melody. Lisa and Melody have you made flight plans yet? Linda and I are going to be there on the 17th already... Zulma and Michelle are driving in... Michelle with her family and will be staying at Lucerna (if I remember correctly). I think we'll let Zulma decide on a central location to hitch a ride with her into TJ and we'll probably have to be meeting around 7:30am to be there on time at 9:00am... or we can be later since we'll probably have some of the Lucerna guests there that can do the fill first. As long as we have one gal there by 9am.. 1/2 hour interval per gal, $100 cash, 2 hour fasting.

example response:

1. shop - yes

2. staying at Omni Hotel from 17th to 19th

3. suggested light meal/drinks at Lucerna

4. need a ride from SD to OCC for fill that morning.

I'll give you my contact number too in an email. This should get us going.

Update on me:

Snow has got me feeling blue here... so cold... I was trying to join the gym but couldn't make up my mind which one.. Curves or LAFitnes.. both very close to me just seem to like the facilities at LAFitnes... but I got frightened 'cause they were offering me (LAFitness) all these free months but wanted me to pay upfront close to $800 for 2 years w/1 year free??? I see that the membership had dwindled and have heard rumors of LAFitness not letting you quit once you hand over your credit card. This kinda happened to me awhile back in a healthclub before. Followed their protocols for quitting but still didn't work... it was crazy...I finally had to cancel my credit card then I was able to stop them from taking my money.. It was like a FRIEND's episode where Chandler was trying to quit his healthclub but they kept throwing in the most beautiful girl at him when he tried to quit... well not same scenario just the trying to quit part, they wouldn't let me! I had a mini pbing episode... I blogged it... chewed and talked while eating a ham and tried to drink water thinking I was gonna help it down... I got scared... the water spouted out within seconds, I stood still and felt that ham go down slowwwly and uncomfortably... Lesson learned... don't eat and talk!!! Chew...chew... chew... I'm up 1 lb... So I'm really 19 lbs. lost.... I'm still obsessing with the scale.. but weighed myself 2 days ago.. maybe I lost the lb. but I will not go on that scale until Thursday!!! Didn't do the measurements on my body but definitely fit in a size large now.... Okay.. sorry this is way too long. My grand daughter is going to be born in July 2008 and I wanna look great for when I hold her!!!

Hanna

Okay ladies, it's nearing our fill date... I'm going to take a survey as to who'd like to go shopping in TJ and I need to know where our meeting place is going to be. Since we do have to be fasted 2 hours before our fill then we can't really do breakfast... maybe coffee, tea.. but at around 7:30am... maybe?...... We can't really have a solid meal on the day of our fill and the following day...we're to take it easy and do liquids... okay this isn't looking so great... We're back to sipping ladies, LOL! The only time we can eat is the night before on the 18th or the following day with mush, if you are still around on the 19th, which I know Linda and I are. Whatever... here I am again planning around a meal time, bad habit of mine, we can do drinks... I'm not a drinker but I will do a margarita, are we aloud?!!! We are just going to get together and sip away and support each other during that fill we have to do... I have a video on myspace regarding a fill... anyone see it yet?... As the day gets nearer to our fill I'm getting freaked out again about that awfully long looking needle going in... LOL!!! I'm such a big chicken!!!! I know you guys feel the same way too!!! So fess up!!! LOL!!! I hope some experienced bandster will chime in and say something to calm me down in this forum.

Okay, you may post here.. I'll check. Or send me email here... click on my pic WAgal and you can pretty much send me email privately. Or my direct email... ramilhanna@gmail.com

If you are already at Lucerna then it's probably best for us to meet up at the OCC, but if you are going into TJ that morning like me and Linda and Zulma, please let me know your location and I'll have to check with Zulma as to where she is comfortable picking up everyone and how many she can take... Lisa, Linda, Michelle, Hanna, Zulma, Melody. Lisa and Melody have you made flight plans yet? Linda and I are going to be there on the 17th already... Zulma and Michelle are driving in... Michelle with her family and will be staying at Lucerna (if I remember correctly). I think we'll let Zulma decide on a central location to hitch a ride with her into TJ and we'll probably have to be meeting around 7:30am to be there on time at 9:00am... or we can be later since we'll probably have some of the Lucerna guests there that can do the fill first. As long as we have one gal there by 9am.. 1/2 hour interval per gal, $100 cash, 2 hour fasting.

example response:

1. shop - yes

2. staying at Omni Hotel from 17th to 19th

3. suggested light meal/drinks at Lucerna

4. need a ride from SD to OCC for fill that morning.

I'll give you my contact number too in an email. This should get us going.

Update on me:

Snow has got me feeling blue here... so cold... I was trying to join the gym but couldn't make up my mind which one.. Curves or LAFitnes.. both very close to me just seem to like the facilities at LAFitnes... but I got frightened 'cause they were offering me (LAFitness) all these free months but wanted me to pay upfront close to $800 for 2 years w/1 year free??? I see that the membership had dwindled and have heard rumors of LAFitness not letting you quit once you hand over your credit card. This kinda happened to me awhile back in a healthclub before. Followed their protocols for quitting but still didn't work... it was crazy...I finally had to cancel my credit card then I was able to stop them from taking my money.. It was like a FRIEND's episode where Chandler was trying to quit his healthclub but they kept throwing in the most beautiful girl at him when he tried to quit... well not same scenario just the trying to quit part, they wouldn't let me! I had a mini pbing episode... I blogged it... chewed and talked while eating a ham and tried to drink water thinking I was gonna help it down... I got scared... the water spouted out within seconds, I stood still and felt that ham go down slowwwly and uncomfortably... Lesson learned... don't eat and talk!!! Chew...chew... chew... I'm up 1 lb... So I'm really 19 lbs. lost.... I'm still obsessing with the scale.. but weighed myself 2 days ago.. maybe I lost the lb. but I will not go on that scale until Thursday!!! Didn't do the measurements on my body but definitely fit in a size large now.... Okay.. sorry this is way too long. My grand daughter is going to be born in July 2008 and I wanna look great for when I hold her!!!

Hanna

Hi Kari!

How are you doing? Please post to let us know how you are doing? Did you call Dr. Martinez? Has anything been resolved? I am still praying for you and I truly hope you have had some relief with the pain and please please, if you can have a friend or family member help out with your kids then do it. I tried to lift my 3 year old too soon ('cause she is so needy for hugs and being babied) and hurt myself a little bit. But nothing a days rest couldn't fix. Please let me know how you are?

Hi All,

Well, here I sit 4 days post-op and really having regrets. My experience with the hotel, surgery and the facilities is similar to everyone elses...except for the fact that Ortiz's shuttle didn't get us to the airport in time and we ended up missing our flight...costing me more money and a whole day at the airport feeling very uncomfortable. For me, the surgery was a piece of cake and the next day at the hotel was fine. I was feeling fine. On the day we left I was having a lot of pressure and gas pains in my abdomen and chest. I had severe, sharp gas pains radiating up the left side of my neck and found no relief with the Gas-X strips. When we finally got home...I was almost in tears wondering if I had made the right decision. I started out so good and am now after 4 days I still am not finding much relief. I have a 1 and 3 year old and cannot take care of them. Twisiting, bending and actually moving in general is painful. I have burning where my port was sewn in and I have to choke back tears when I stand up from a sitting position. I left a message with Dr. Ortiz today, but have not heard back from him yet. I'm not sure if my body is getting an infection or if I'm just not tolerating this well. All of this and I'm starving to boot. My stomach is in a constant rumble and feeling nauseaus all at the same time. Most people sound like they have had a better experience, but I just needed to share this info in case someone else went through this and can give me some advice. I am going to try and find some of the Phayzime, phyzime (whatever) to see if that doesn't help. I have got to find relief soon otherwise I will be trying to find a physcian here that can help me.

Kari

Banded 3/24/08

pre-op weight: 196

Height: 5'4"

Kari,

Did you call the 24/7 emergency contact number?

Please call Dr. Martinez at 619-847-9264

I called this number really early in the morning because of constipation issues and Dr. Martinez answered after only 2 rings. Call him now and ask what you should do. I'm worried since I understand how it is to have to take care of 2 very young children. I'm praying for you!!!

I'm sorry but I didn't have your experience at all and that sounds terrible about missing your flight... there has to be something that OCC can do about that if it was their fault not getting you to the airport on time. Call Dr. Martinez now!

Hanna

Cathy,

Thank you for your response! I hope you too can find the weight loss path you are most comfortable with, and are able to be successful!! This has been on my mind for a couple years now, and I finally decided it was time to take care of ME for once. My husband and kids will reap the benefits in the long run! I wish you all the luck in making your decision, and I look forward to hearing from you soon! Thank you for writing me!

Bethany >

Bethany and Cathy,

It's great that you are being helped by this forum! Isn't it great... I'm so glad for the honest discussions that are taking place here. We are all in this together. Blessings to both of you and yes please let us know of your banding experience and the progress.

Hanna

Yay Bobbi! Welcome home.. aren't they just wonderful! The staff is well mannered indeed and the doctors... aren't they so handsome!!!

LOL!!!

Hanna >